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pruyter
Netherlands
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 Posted - 24 Nov 2020 : 11:30:16
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Yes as in milky white! If your Rapier was originally delivered without overdrive than you will find the black plug in the corner of the dashbord.
Regards,
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Mr A.the Hun
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Nov 2020 : 11:07:51
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Originally posted by pruyter
The warning light has an opal colour and is, when it concerns a RHD car, situated in the right upper corner of the dashbord. Later on Rootes did not fit this warning light anymore (cost cutting which started at the Series V) and the hole in the dashbord was filled with a little plug.
Regards,
Peter
Perfect, thank you Peter. As in milky white?
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pruyter
Netherlands
323 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2020 : 07:13:21
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The warning light has an opal colour and is, when it concerns a RHD car, situated in the right upper corner of the dashbord. Later on Rootes did not fit this warning light anymore (cost cutting which started at the Series V) and the hole in the dashbord was filled with a little plug.
Regards,
Peter |
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Mr A.the Hun
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2020 : 22:48:02
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Perfect, thank you very much I shall do exactly that.
And while we're on the subject. When the overdrive is fitted with a warning light (as per WSM wiring diagram), what colour is it and where is it usually positioned please? I cannot find reference to those details anywhere or find a picture.
The information on the forum has been great, thanks again everybody.
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Terry |
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pruyter
Netherlands
323 Posts |
Posted - 23 Nov 2020 : 20:29:09
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Although the relay is sealed indeed, I have fixed mine which was not working. I opened the relay and cleaned a dirty contact and after that all was well again.
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Peter |
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Commerlad
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Nov 2020 : 19:47:57
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To test later type of unit.
To test the Relay, You need a 12v battery, cables and a multi meter.
Earth the body of the unit
Check for discontinuity (NO CONTACT) between terminals C1 and C4
Apply a 12v supply to terminal C2
Then when you add a 12v supply to terminal W2, You should hear a click
Check for continuity (CONTACT) between terminals C1 and C4
Remove supply from W2
Check for continuity (CONTACT) between terminals C1 and C4
Then add a 12v supply to terminal W1
You should then hear a click again
Once again Check for discontinuity (NO CONTACT) between terminals C1 and C4
If the relay passes all the above in order it is working correctly.
If at any point it does not, get another relay unit.
They are a sealed unit and can not be fixed.
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Mr A.the Hun
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2020 : 23:23:56
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Originally posted by hillman
Hi , I don't know if it helps but here are the wiring diagrams.
stay safe
Thank you, I do have the manuals but it’s all helpful, thank you.
I’m starting by sending off for the correct wiring (colours with tracers etc.). Currently it’s wired almost exclusively with overly long purple wire?
Do you know how to test the later style relay? I found an explanation for the earlier one, and according to the Multi Meter that one is working correctly, but I can’t find anything similar for the later type.
Thanks again.
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hillman
France
107 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2020 : 08:15:02
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Hi , I don't know if it helps but here are the wiring diagrams.
stay safe |
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Commerlad
United Kingdom
50 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 16:49:47
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Pruyter I too have seen the mess that happens with poor wiring, a mashed up overdrive is the least of your worries, fires (leading to total loss) explosions of battery (Nasty) etc can all be caused from going ahead regardless without the knowledge to back up what you are doing. The forum is for people to ask questions, when I see something I can answer I will, If I need help I will ask and hope I get a decent answer. I am not stupid enough to venture into things where I do not know what I am doing. I praise anyone else who does the same. I urge most definately anyone who buys a hybrid or electric car not to do any alterations to the factory wiring unless they are an auto electrician.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of01p0Q-yUM.
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Commerlad
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 16:16:42
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As Pruyter has said yes it is a momentary (passing contact) switch that is sprung loaded to return to the centre. You can (AS I have done in the past), use an indicator stalk if you strip all the non relevant bits from it.
High and low beam supply, horn supply, and the 2 plastic horns/catches that hold it before return to centre.
That is the reason for the relay ( It takes the input and latches the output via an input return)until it's main supply feed (from gearbox inhibitor switch) is removed when not in 3 or 4, so you can cancel overdrive with the switch or declutching and changing gear with a move across to the other side of the box.
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pruyter
Netherlands
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 20:39:43
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The reason why I mentioned the consequences of engaging reverse while the overdrive is engaged is that I have seen two times what happens when somebody has done that. Such things don't happen because people are stupid those things happen when people don't have the knowledge or don't pay attention. So calling them dumb doesn't help at all, what it maybe does is scare people to ask questions on this forum. We all have been at some point that we did not know, that's the meaning of life: learning until we are at the end of our life.
Being said that: the answer to the question of Terry is; yes. |
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Mr A.the Hun
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 20:15:31
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Originally posted by Commerlad
The thing about engaging in reverse is that it is the set up of the gearbox inhibitor switch that determines wether it will or will not do so. (Irrespective of the use of the relay as that is only there due to the use of the passing contact on off stalk, as opposed to the one you are using which is a continuous solid on or off type switch)
To engage in reverse it will have to have been set so badly that the gearbox inhibitor switch plunger is still depressed by touching the gear selector even when it is furthest away from it (Something that I think is not even possible)
Only by completely bypassing the gearbox inhibitor switch is this a real likelyhood. (Or some dumb git has wired up to the reverse switch on the other side by mistake, but then they cannot have the overdrive working in forwards or reverse lights either)
Sometimes I think laterally, but then I have to get up!
Yes, I see what you mean, thank you. And just to clarify the basics, is the correct stalk (with 3 positions and 3 wires) a momentary switch that is always sprung loaded back to the centre position?
Regards
Terry |
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Commerlad
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 15:30:45
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The thing about engaging in reverse is that it is the set up of the gearbox inhibitor switch that determines wether it will or will not do so. (Irrespective of the use of the relay as that is only there due to the use of the passing contact on off stalk, as opposed to the one you are using which is a continuous solid on or off type switch)
To engage in reverse it will have to have been set so badly that the gearbox inhibitor switch plunger is still depressed by touching the gear selector even when it is furthest away from it (Something that I think is not even possible)
Only by completely bypassing the gearbox inhibitor switch is this a real likelyhood. (Or some dumb git has wired up to the reverse switch on the other side by mistake, but then they cannot have the overdrive working in forwards or reverse lights either)
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pruyter
Netherlands
323 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 10:28:47
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Hi Terry,
ah that explains the Dutch words you used to say thank you!
Yes Mike is right the prices of this stalks are ridiculous!
But you could do with the stalk with two wires, the most important thing is to protect the overdrive of being engaged when reversing the car.
Never ever engage it when in reverse, because by doing so you certainly destroy the overdrive! Engaging the overdrive in first of second gear is no problem at all.
Regards,
Peter |
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Mr A.the Hun
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 06:58:05
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Originally posted by pruyter
Hi Terry,
as I have mentioned before there is a stalk offered on Ebay,
The item number is 143839865884
Right now the highest bid is 26 GBP and there are 3 days and something like 12 hours to go before the bidding is ended.
Regards,
Peter
Hello Peter,
Yes, I wasn’t ignoring your very good information, and I am watching it. But having spoken to Mike Langley (club parts God) it is liable to be quite expensive. And having just been forced to retire early (from my career in the Netherlands funnily enough) thanks to the Bat Flu situation, I don’t have limitless funds. So am anticipating possible disappointment, and was hoping to be armed with information on suitable alternatives.
Again thank you very much.
Regards Terry |
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Wiring Guru required, Overdrive wiring.
